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		<title>By: International Studies is un-American &#171; Derek Hatchard blogs on</title>
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		<dc:creator>International Studies is un-American &#171; Derek Hatchard blogs on</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 00:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] while waiting on hold (I don&#8217;t think this conference call is happening today).  Just saw this from Pam Slim: The bill, sponsored by Rep. Mark Anderson from my hometown of Mesa, &#8220;would have put three [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Maxine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maxine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 02:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I don&#039;t understand is: why can&#039;t students learn both US history AND world history (and geography etc etc)?

I didn&#039;t realise we were talking about an either/or situation which is what some people seem to be implying. It doesn&#039;t even have to be 50/50, couldn&#039;t 70/30 or 80/20 work as well?

Otherwise, it&#039;s not education, it&#039;s propaganda. And you don&#039;t instill civic pride by having a fear-based, dogmatic education
system.

All you&#039;ll have is a population split between irrational bigots and those so disillusioned that they feel the diametric opposite of civic pride.

Way to go...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I don&#8217;t understand is: why can&#8217;t students learn both US history AND world history (and geography etc etc)?</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t realise we were talking about an either/or situation which is what some people seem to be implying. It doesn&#8217;t even have to be 50/50, couldn&#8217;t 70/30 or 80/20 work as well?</p>
<p>Otherwise, it&#8217;s not education, it&#8217;s propaganda. And you don&#8217;t instill civic pride by having a fear-based, dogmatic education<br />
system.</p>
<p>All you&#8217;ll have is a population split between irrational bigots and those so disillusioned that they feel the diametric opposite of civic pride.</p>
<p>Way to go&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Deirdré Straughan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deirdré Straughan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 10:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coming to this discussion late, but it just makes me want to curl up and whimper. And then Americans can&#039;t understand why so many people want to kill us... well, we could start by trying to understand anything at all about them!

I am SO glad I had a very international education (and my bi-national, bilingual, multicultural daughter is about to leave her home in Italy to go to high school for a year in India!).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coming to this discussion late, but it just makes me want to curl up and whimper. And then Americans can&#8217;t understand why so many people want to kill us&#8230; well, we could start by trying to understand anything at all about them!</p>
<p>I am SO glad I had a very international education (and my bi-national, bilingual, multicultural daughter is about to leave her home in Italy to go to high school for a year in India!).</p>
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		<title>By: Pamela Slim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pamela Slim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 05:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, thanks for all your comments and insight on this topic everyone!  I really like the different perspectives, and agree that it is counterproductive to label one side &quot;right&quot; and the other &quot;wrong.&quot;  Obviously, there are intricacies to each side of the equation which greatly affect the outcome, including:

-What version of US history is being taught?  The one I remember was wrought with &quot;manifest destiny&quot; and kind of skimmed over some pretty important historical events like slavery, mass genocide of native people, etc.  But I realize that that was over 30 years ago, and I haven&#039;t looked closely at the curriculum lately.

-I imagine some int&#039;l education perspectives might look harshly at the role of the US in the world based on foreign policy decisions, and overlook some positive aspects of the culture and government.

So exactly what is discussed and how it is discussed is obviously very important.

My view from being in AZ for awhile and knowing a little about these particular legislators is that their view is that there is only &quot;one good government system&quot; and only &quot;one God&quot; (who happens to be Christian). I just simply disagree with this, and think we can teach pride, love and respect for our country by honoring the diversity that is here, and the imperfect history that we have.

How you can learn about US history without learning about the world anyway is kind of beyond me, given that we are a nation of immigrants, and we have chosen to take an extremely active military  and economic role in the rest of the world.

I appreciate that I can rant about things occasionally ... thanks for joining the discussion.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, thanks for all your comments and insight on this topic everyone!  I really like the different perspectives, and agree that it is counterproductive to label one side &#8220;right&#8221; and the other &#8220;wrong.&#8221;  Obviously, there are intricacies to each side of the equation which greatly affect the outcome, including:</p>
<p>-What version of US history is being taught?  The one I remember was wrought with &#8220;manifest destiny&#8221; and kind of skimmed over some pretty important historical events like slavery, mass genocide of native people, etc.  But I realize that that was over 30 years ago, and I haven&#8217;t looked closely at the curriculum lately.</p>
<p>-I imagine some int&#8217;l education perspectives might look harshly at the role of the US in the world based on foreign policy decisions, and overlook some positive aspects of the culture and government.</p>
<p>So exactly what is discussed and how it is discussed is obviously very important.</p>
<p>My view from being in AZ for awhile and knowing a little about these particular legislators is that their view is that there is only &#8220;one good government system&#8221; and only &#8220;one God&#8221; (who happens to be Christian). I just simply disagree with this, and think we can teach pride, love and respect for our country by honoring the diversity that is here, and the imperfect history that we have.</p>
<p>How you can learn about US history without learning about the world anyway is kind of beyond me, given that we are a nation of immigrants, and we have chosen to take an extremely active military  and economic role in the rest of the world.</p>
<p>I appreciate that I can rant about things occasionally &#8230; thanks for joining the discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim King</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 20:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t read all the comments here, Pam. Briefly, you&#039;re not the only one. Winston Smith did, too, in his own way.

Sadly, none of what you say shocks me, or even really surprises me. And before you call me a cynic, remember, a cynic is what an idealist calls a realist.

-TimK
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t read all the comments here, Pam. Briefly, you&#8217;re not the only one. Winston Smith did, too, in his own way.</p>
<p>Sadly, none of what you say shocks me, or even really surprises me. And before you call me a cynic, remember, a cynic is what an idealist calls a realist.</p>
<p>-TimK</p>
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		<title>By: Natalie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Natalie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my word.

There are few words I could say to express my utter shock and horror at the American school system. Being a person who graduated from an International program in Canada, I am appalled to think that Americans would blatantly ignore the rest of the world.

Interesting article and great blog. I really enjoyed reading your opinions.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my word.</p>
<p>There are few words I could say to express my utter shock and horror at the American school system. Being a person who graduated from an International program in Canada, I am appalled to think that Americans would blatantly ignore the rest of the world.</p>
<p>Interesting article and great blog. I really enjoyed reading your opinions.</p>
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		<title>By: fatin</title>
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		<dc:creator>fatin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just read this post.  Once the smoke coming out of my ears subsided, I realized that I&#039;m not surprised, but it is still so disheartening.  How very, very un-American.

What is heartening, however, are some of the comments you&#039;ve recieved in response.  Proof that many of us realize that there is a whole world out there that we are merely a part of, but one that we can be a great part of~
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read this post.  Once the smoke coming out of my ears subsided, I realized that I&#8217;m not surprised, but it is still so disheartening.  How very, very un-American.</p>
<p>What is heartening, however, are some of the comments you&#8217;ve recieved in response.  Proof that many of us realize that there is a whole world out there that we are merely a part of, but one that we can be a great part of~</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 04:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I attended high school in AZ and also found my education wanting, especially when it came to being challenged.  I currently homeschool my children and have the flexibility to educate my children for the information age.  Unfortunately, public schools are stuck in their industrial age thinking and are doing a disservice to the children they are teaching.

Public education has not being preparing America&#039;s children for the future, or the present, for the last thirty years and there seems to be no sign of that changing.  If any state could benefit from having a bi-lingual education, AZ is that state considering the demographic changes that have been caused by immigration across the border.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I attended high school in AZ and also found my education wanting, especially when it came to being challenged.  I currently homeschool my children and have the flexibility to educate my children for the information age.  Unfortunately, public schools are stuck in their industrial age thinking and are doing a disservice to the children they are teaching.</p>
<p>Public education has not being preparing America&#8217;s children for the future, or the present, for the last thirty years and there seems to be no sign of that changing.  If any state could benefit from having a bi-lingual education, AZ is that state considering the demographic changes that have been caused by immigration across the border.</p>
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		<title>By: Audall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Audall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 06:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many thoughts run through my mind when I read this story as well as all the comments.  To be honest, I do think we should start our children&#039;s education with U.S. history, culture, CIVIC DUTY, and other subjects pertaining to our country.  As children, we can learn about other places after.  But, I think these politicians&#039; comments were very poorly phrased and misguided.

In general, it&#039;s not an easy question.  The ignorant-protectionist perspective bugs me because this perspective hurts the U.S.&#039; competitiveness in the long run.  If we don&#039;t remain open to competition and allow ourselves to evolve into a more globally integrated world economy, than we will decline in comparison to others that do.  We have to take on all comers, and part of that, is learning about other people and places so we can act effectively and continue to thrive.

But, the America-basher perspective bothers me just as much.  People who joke about how many languages U.S. citizens speak--go ask the average guy in Guangdong, China how many languages he speaks.  Or, the guy on the street in Indonesia.  The answer is ONE.  I know, cause I&#039;ve lived in both places.  Europeans speak a lot of languages because their countries are small and very close together--like U.S states.  If Nevada spoke another language, I&#039;d be more inclined to learn it.  Europe is not in the same situation, thus not a standard to be followed.  Others learn English because it helps a great deal in business--because they want to make money.  Not because they want to be &quot;multicultural&quot; for the sake of being a good world citizen.

After college, I traveled, studied, lived, and worked in several other countries.  I found out that most people in other countries are basically, just like people from the U.S.  There are a-holes, great people, and everything in between.  I learned their languages, their history and culture, religion, etc.  I got an MA in Asian Studies.

I didn&#039;t need to start learning Spanish in 2nd grade in order to learn all of that.  I did it on my own because I was curious.  And so can almost anyone else in the U.S. who is interested in doing so.  I think there are other venues that our kids can learn about other countries.  I think our news channels could do a much better job.  Parents can do it themselves. But, you only have so much time in a grade school classroom, so many pages in a textbook, so much bandwith in a child&#039;s head.  Do we teach less about US history in order to teach more about other countries&#039; histories?  Personally, I&#039;d like my kid to start with who he is, what country he comes from, etc.  There are many things about American values, culture, and our political system, that put us in a position that entices others to want to learn to speak English to do business with us and move here to live.  That says something.  So  I would like my child to be rooted in this, and then, he or she can learn about others.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thoughts run through my mind when I read this story as well as all the comments.  To be honest, I do think we should start our children&#8217;s education with U.S. history, culture, CIVIC DUTY, and other subjects pertaining to our country.  As children, we can learn about other places after.  But, I think these politicians&#8217; comments were very poorly phrased and misguided.</p>
<p>In general, it&#8217;s not an easy question.  The ignorant-protectionist perspective bugs me because this perspective hurts the U.S.&#8217; competitiveness in the long run.  If we don&#8217;t remain open to competition and allow ourselves to evolve into a more globally integrated world economy, than we will decline in comparison to others that do.  We have to take on all comers, and part of that, is learning about other people and places so we can act effectively and continue to thrive.</p>
<p>But, the America-basher perspective bothers me just as much.  People who joke about how many languages U.S. citizens speak&#8211;go ask the average guy in Guangdong, China how many languages he speaks.  Or, the guy on the street in Indonesia.  The answer is ONE.  I know, cause I&#8217;ve lived in both places.  Europeans speak a lot of languages because their countries are small and very close together&#8211;like U.S states.  If Nevada spoke another language, I&#8217;d be more inclined to learn it.  Europe is not in the same situation, thus not a standard to be followed.  Others learn English because it helps a great deal in business&#8211;because they want to make money.  Not because they want to be &#8220;multicultural&#8221; for the sake of being a good world citizen.</p>
<p>After college, I traveled, studied, lived, and worked in several other countries.  I found out that most people in other countries are basically, just like people from the U.S.  There are a-holes, great people, and everything in between.  I learned their languages, their history and culture, religion, etc.  I got an MA in Asian Studies.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t need to start learning Spanish in 2nd grade in order to learn all of that.  I did it on my own because I was curious.  And so can almost anyone else in the U.S. who is interested in doing so.  I think there are other venues that our kids can learn about other countries.  I think our news channels could do a much better job.  Parents can do it themselves. But, you only have so much time in a grade school classroom, so many pages in a textbook, so much bandwith in a child&#8217;s head.  Do we teach less about US history in order to teach more about other countries&#8217; histories?  Personally, I&#8217;d like my kid to start with who he is, what country he comes from, etc.  There are many things about American values, culture, and our political system, that put us in a position that entices others to want to learn to speak English to do business with us and move here to live.  That says something.  So  I would like my child to be rooted in this, and then, he or she can learn about others.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tyler Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 04:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an undergraduate student majoring in education and business, I agree that American students need to bridge the international gap that isolated &quot;Americanism&quot; has caused. I too have had the opportunity to travel outside of the US to Uruguay and Southeast Asia, and I must say, as an American I had to hang my head in shame.  Most the students in these countries knew more about US history and World history than any American student. Our education system and government dropped the ball.  It upsets me to see that politicians seem to be missing what so many of us business and education professionals already know-- American isn&#039;t the only country on the planet. This issue is close to my heart, and it is one my personal goals to battle the mindset that American students need to focus only on American culture and language. The world is interconnected, and as the &quot;world superpower&quot; and the &quot;great melting pot&quot; we should be leading the way in multicultural education. If third world countries can educate their children to know their own history and US history, couldn&#039;t we do the same?  I sure hope so.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an undergraduate student majoring in education and business, I agree that American students need to bridge the international gap that isolated &#8220;Americanism&#8221; has caused. I too have had the opportunity to travel outside of the US to Uruguay and Southeast Asia, and I must say, as an American I had to hang my head in shame.  Most the students in these countries knew more about US history and World history than any American student. Our education system and government dropped the ball.  It upsets me to see that politicians seem to be missing what so many of us business and education professionals already know&#8211; American isn&#8217;t the only country on the planet. This issue is close to my heart, and it is one my personal goals to battle the mindset that American students need to focus only on American culture and language. The world is interconnected, and as the &#8220;world superpower&#8221; and the &#8220;great melting pot&#8221; we should be leading the way in multicultural education. If third world countries can educate their children to know their own history and US history, couldn&#8217;t we do the same?  I sure hope so.</p>
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